Imputed Righteousness of Christ and the Iglesia ni Kristo
“Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.” (Gal. 2:16, ESV)
A friendly dialogue between Seventh-day Adventist and Iglesia ni Kristo regarding the imputed righteousness of Christ.
Simul Justus Et Peccator: Does the “Iglesia ni Kristo” believe in the IMPUTED RIGHTEOUSNESS of Christ, friend Odel Cross and Gil Lovina?
Odel Cross: nowhere in the entire Bible is it taught that faith alone is enough for one to be saved.
Simul Justus Et Peccator: How about the illustration of Paul on Abraham in Romans 4? By the way, the question is not interested perse in the mode of salvation but only to the grounds of salvation.
Odel Cross: okey ilatag natin:
Abraham Justified by Faith
4 What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by WORKS, he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3 What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Gen. 15 After these things the word of the Lord came unto Abram in a vision, saying, Fear not, Abram: I am thy shield, and thy exceeding great reward. 2 And Abram said, Lord God, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? 3 And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. 4 And, behold, the word of the Lord came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. 5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. 6 And he believed in the Lord; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
meron po kcng PROMISE, ngayon sinubok sya:
Genesis 22: 1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. 2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. 3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him. 4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off. 5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you. 6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together. 7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? 8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. 9 And they came to the place which God had told him of; and Abraham built an altar there, and laid the wood in order, and bound Isaac his son, and laid him on the altar upon the wood. 10 And Abraham stretched forth his hand, and took the knife to slay his son. 11 And the angel of the Lord called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. 12 And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
talastas ng Diyos ang pananampalataya ni Abraham nung walang pagaalinlangang sinunod niya ang lahat ng ipinagagawa Nya kay Abraham.
Simul Justus Et Peccator: There is no contention that Abraham kept the commandments of God. But can he become righteous through keeping the law? What does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Feel free to respond friend.
Odel Cross: ang magandang tanong jan “bakit” sya naniwala? yan ay dahil sa pangakong natupad..ngayon, sa paniniwalang taglay ni Abraham kalakip dun ang pagsunod dahil talagang sumasampalataya siya. simple (pero mabigat) lang naman kc ang utos ng Diyos kay Abraham.. ihandog lang naman ang kaisa-isang Anak nya.. yan ung sinunod nya.. pero bandang huli pinigil ng Diyos dahil sinubok nya kung susunod parin c Abraham kahit hingiin ng Diyos ang kaisa-isang mahalaga sakanya.
Simul Justus Et Peccator: I commend to what you’ve said that the faith of Abraham was accompanied with works (that is not the issue), but the Bible is clear: “If Abraham was justified by WORKS, he had something to boast about—but not before God.” Again, what does Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness.”
Btw, what does the authorities of INC said about imputed (reckoned) righteousness friend Odel Cross?
NOTE: We Seventh–day Adventist is not against to the notion that the faith of Abraham was accompanied with works. However, his works cannot justify him (v.2a), but simply through his faith (v. 2ab) alone can the righteousness of Christ can be reckoned/credited/imputed to Him.
Odel Cross: heto ang sabi ng Bibliya:
10 How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father OF ALL THEM THAT BELIEVE, though they be not circumcised; THAT RIGHTEOUSNESS MIGHT BE IMPUTED UNTO THEM ALSO: 12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. Romans 4:10-12 (KJV)
Simul Justus Et Peccator: IN THE CASE OF ABRAHAM: Do you consider the act of circumcision as a commandment from/of God?
Odel Cross: ibabalik ko po sa inyo ung tanong; sino po ang nagsasalita dito?
10 This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, between me and you and thy seed after thee; Every man child among you shall be circumcised. 11 And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you. 12 And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, every man child in your generations, he that is born in the house, or bought with money of any stranger, which is not of thy seed. 13 He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant. 14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people; he hath broken my covenant. Genesis17:10-14(KJV)
Simul Justus Et Peccator: It was God. Now, if circumcision is a command of/from God. And the righteousness of God was reckoned to Abraham before circumcision. Therefore, Abraham was reckoned as righteous before keeping the commandment (circumcision) of God. So that practically implies that we should keep the law not to become righteous but because we are already righteous?
Odel Cross: nagiging banal ang tao sa pamamagitan ng pagsunod sa utos.
What shall we say, then? Is the law sinful? Certainly not! Nevertheless, I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”[b] 8 But sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, produced in me every kind of coveting. For apart from the law, sin was dead. 9 Once I was alive apart from the law; but when the commandment came, sin sprang to life and I died. 10 I found that the very commandment that was intended to bring life actually brought death. 11 For sin, seizing the opportunity afforded by the commandment, deceived me, and through the commandment put me to death. 12 So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good. Romans 7:7-12 (NIV) .
Simul Justus Et Peccator I wholeheartedly agree that the law is holy, but it cannot make us holy. It can only make us see our unholiness (James 1:23-25) for only Jesus can make us holy.
So let me ask this question: Where in Romans 7:7-12 does states that the law can make us holy by keeping it?
Odel Cross “I wholeheartedly agree that the law is holy, but it cannot make us holy”
heto po ang sabi: 40 In this way you’ll remember to do all my commands. Then you will be holy to your God. Numbers 15:40 (CEB)
Odel Cross: hindi po yata sumasangayon sa inyo ang bibol
Simul Justus Et Peccator: Oh friend. Please do not base your doctrine on a mixture of dynamic equivalence and formal equivalence translation. I believe you know the difference between formal equivalence with dynamic form of translation.
NOTE: The Common English Bible (or CEB) is an English translation of the Bible, including the deuterocanonical books or apocrypha included in Catholic Church and Orthodox Church canons. Unfortunately, as we can know, some of the publishers came from Catholic scholars–so it would not be surprising to see why they rendered it that way, because they see works as meritorious to salvation.
Btw, this is the rendering of your LAMSA TRANSLATION: “That you may remember, and do all my commandments, and be holy to your God.” Huge difference, isn’t? The phrase “be holy” here does not stand in causal relation with “do all my commandments”, but in conditional association.
So, where else can we find the notion that the “law can make us holy by keeping it” (implying that we can’t see that concept in Romans 7:7-12)?
Gil Lovina: ang UTOS sa mga TAO ay SUNDIN at SAMPALATAYANAN ang PINAKAMAMAHAL niyang ANAK…kapag ang UTOS na iyan ay HINDI mo SINUNOD NEVER kang MAGIGING HOLY,,ganun lang iyon…kaya ang PAG SUNOD sa KAUTUSAN ang MAGPAPABANAL sa mga TAO….ganun lang iyon ka simple bro.
cge IKAW naman ang TANUNGIN ko..bro..paki sagot naman…
1…KANINONG UTOS ba ang PAG SAMPALATAYA kay JESUS….?
Simul Justus Et Peccator: I highly appreciate your comment Gil Lovina. But, arguments without support from the Scripture will never become sound argument in a Christian discussion.
So let me point out your points that needs support from the Word: (1) kapag ang UTOS na iyan ay HINDI mo SINUNOD NEVER kang MAGIGING HOLY; (2) kaya ang PAG SUNOD sa KAUTUSAN ang MAGPAPABANAL sa mga TAO.
So could you please, if possible, present your arguments accompanied with Bible verses? Then we can proceed on answering your question.